Glasgow East selection delayed

The selection for the candidate to contest the Glasgow East byelection was expected for yesterday but it has delayed to Monday after the main contender withdrew at the last minute.

3 candidates were shortlisted for yesterday meeting: George Ryan, Doug Maughan and Irene Graham.
George Ryan, a local councillor, was considered the strong favouite to get the nomination.
However yesterday he didn't show up at the meeting deciding to withdraw from the contest because of family reasons.
Now a new meeting has been scheduled for Monday night.

Naturally this latest developments have easily become a target for opposition parties in the official first week-end of the campaign.
Not a good way to start a potentially difficult byelection campaign. Even if they have been worse starts that have produced decent results in the end: Ealing Southall last year.


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Re: Glasgow East selection delayed (#1)

I have posted here before on the need to scrap the NEC by-election panel.

The embarrassing chaos that has just occurred, and seems to be continuing, in Glasgow East just backs up my earlier points from over a year ago.

All I want is honesty and democracy in our party. And if we can't have democracy (which we don't have) let's have honesty.

The party hierarchy (and I think Ray Collins has failed the membership at the first hurdle here - I assume he was actually on the panel) should stop pretending that these selections have anything to do with real membership choice. Let's just have the hierarchy of the party impose a single candidate for a by-election (especially when they rush the writ) and stop wasting everybody's time with the series of total shams that constitute practically every by-election selection over the last 20 years!

Imposing the preferred candidate directly would, at least, be honest with the party.

Now, and someone should correct me if I'm wrong, but in Glasgow East 3 candidates were shortlisted by the NEC by-election panel. Please correct me if this was the longlist. If they were shortlisted then the NEC panel believed all three were good enough, and if, as happened, one candidate (whoever he/she is) doesn't turn up for the members' selection meeting, then the selection proceeds from the remaining candidates. Obviously they wouldn't have chosen two weaker candidates to go up against a strong, favoured candidate - that would never happen, would it?

If they were not deemed good enough, they shouldn't have been on the shortlist.

By-election selections from an original shortlist of 2 have happened before, in the Birmingham Hodge Hill by-election, for example. So giving the Glasgow East members 2 members to choose from cannot be argued as being too limited a choice for members, unless the rules have changed.

What has happened has let the cat out of the bag as to the real processes and procedures at work.

That we now have the process where 'others' are allowed to enter the fray following a shortlisting and advertised members' selection meeting is laughable.

I know the press doesn't report these things well, and I may have got this all wrong. The Observer reports today that another candidate has announced that she is adding herself to the shortlist. She's not within the rules doing that, the party has just formally announced that the parliamentary selection is now open again, she's put her name forward. Was the rest of the party given this opportunity? But effectively, I strongly suspect, she is adding her name to the shortlist!

If the party hierarchy wants this new candidate, they should simply, as they can, announce her as the candidate and not put the Glasgow East members to the trouble of coming out to vote on these cold July evenings! Obviously I would object on the grounds of democracy, but not on the grounds of honesty.

The By-election and late NEC selections processes are seen and now proven by the Glasgow East nonsense to be completely lacking in integrity and, worse, are part of the processes whereby a small coterie of people at the top of our party arrange the admission of their mates and annointees to that number; it then becomes a self-fulfilling process. It's A Very Labour Coup.

More damage has been done by these processes than the damage perceived to be done by 'inappropriate' selections by CLP members under the old rules. And those allegedly inappropriate selections which brought about the By-election panel procedures in the first place were over 20 years ago, for goodness sake. We still live in a Mandelson-legacy, paranoid party.

The party has had to suffer disastrous decisions by the leadership over the last year. The loss of by-elections recently has not been the fault of the membership who still get trains to Crewe and Glasgow no matter what. And the party is worried that they might lose by-elections because of inappropriate candidate selection by party members! I think we know why the party loses by-elections these days, and it's nothing to do with candidate selection!

The membership through their CLP Contemporary Resolutions last September to conference gave a clear and unambiguous warning to the leadership that the 10p tax proposals were a serious, and (by the way) electorally disastrous mistake which the party was already getting their ears bent on. We warned of the clear and present danger. What did the hierarchy of the party to in response? Ruled them out of order! That speaks volumes for the lack of leadership in our party at the moment.

Add to that the worst political mistake of the century so far in Britain: the on-off general election of November 1st and I believe that the party right from the top is losing touch and needs to start listening very directly to its members instead.

I had thought about posting this after the by-election, but, you know what?, once it's over no-one will be bothered in the party hierarchy. They'll just be glad to put it behind them.

I think we'll win it, just; but if we don't then the lost weekend and how it occurred will need to be subject to a serious enquiry.

In any event, following the by-election I believe Ray Collins should institute an immediate review of the NEC by-election selection processes and bring proposals to Conference for a new settlement - one that actually trusts the membership.

 

Re: Glasgow East selection delayed (#2)

Grim.

The Government has lost Labour popular support right,centre and left.

 The three preceding by-elections will have been a Labour lost seat, a Labour lost deposit and a Labour no-show. Now we nearly have a no-show in Glasgow East!

Labour MPs  were the bulk of those who voted to keep the present MPs stinking expenses system. And the Mail is sniffing around constituency expenses in Glasgow East. Slaeze will be a factor influencing votes.

The SNP are only beginning to look shop-worn. They are still on something of a roll. And Labour voters who do not like the SNP have the LibDems (rising if small previous vote here) and the Tories (no longer just a ghost of the past in Scotland) to go to.

So what might happen?

Labour are going to have a candidate -of some sort.

Anything may be theoretically possible, but a Labour lost deposit here must be at least 100,000 to 1 against.

Coming fourth? A nightmare, but if the NEC messes up the campaign even worse than it has done, that might happen.

Coming third? See above, but there may well be bets placed on that happening.

Coming second? From where we are now that is the least unliklely result.

Holding the seat? That will require a much smoother, far more thorough and more enthusiastic pulling out of the stops than anything the Party has managed so far in 2008.

Re: Glasgow East selection delayed (#3)

I just fail to understand why No 10 have pushed for this by election to be called for 24th July.
If we loose, all of the PM's detractors will be assembled together in one place for the NPF meeting the following day - surely he wouldn't survive the weekend?
A loss a week later could have been dealt with by a reshuffle and some new policy announcements. 
This would never have happened if McTernan and Campbell were still running the politics of No 10. 
This is the 2nd by election in a row (this and Crewe) where No 10 have failed to get their preferred candidate selected.  I don't know who is doing the PM's politics, but they need to shape up! 

Re: Glasgow East selection delayed (#11)

Tribune says a fresh Downing Street staff reshuffle is afoot:

The appointment of former T&G official Joe Irvine this week as the new Downing Street political secretary is seen as an positive step towards more cohesive strategic thinking and a potentially significant shift towards the Labour Party and the unions.

As part of the fall-out following the arrival of City financier Stephen Carter as head of Mr brown’s office, it was announced this week that Martin Sheehan had resigned his post as head of strategic communications.

Dunno if this will help. 

 

Re: Glasgow East selection delayed (#4)

Why did we call the election if we hadn't got a candidate in place?

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I don't understand why they didn't proceed with the selection on Saturday with the 2 candidates who did turn up? Surely they were considered suitable to be put on the shortlist. Why then is an MSP now being added to the list? It stinks and looks like a stitch up. If I was the other 2 shortlisted candidates I wouldn't waste my time bothering to turn up. This by-election campaign is descending into a farce.

Livingstone for Glasgow East? (#9)

Alan Cochrane in the Telegraph today says that Labour are about to select Margaret Curran, a former Holyrood minister as their candidate, but just imagine an alternative for a moment.  Instead of an experienced Scottish politician or a local politician with an impressive CV, the Labour Party makes the boldest possible move to avoid defeat and throws this by-election to a politician with one of the biggest media profiles in the country, a large personal following, considerable appeal to working-class voters, and no job at the moment.  Just imagine if Labour were to select Ken Livingstone.  With one bold stroke Brown would have guaranteed the by-election for Labour and ended the speculation that it will prove his death-blow.  And Livingstone would have won a historic by-election, saved the Labour party from ignominy and – perhaps, just perhaps – found his way to a seat at the Cabinet table.

 

I don’t think it will happen.  But can anyone tell me why it shouldn’t?

 

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Re: Livingstone for Glasgow East? (#10)

I can't think of a more effective move to keep labour voters at home than parachuting in a high-profile sassenach to shore up Gordon's job.

I mean, the opposition would never mention it during the campaign - would they? They certainly wouldn't attempt to make political capital out of it.... errr....

The real question that needs asking is this "Why is it proving so hard to get a candidate to stand in such a pro-labour seat?" 

Re: Glasgow East selection delayed (#12)

The answer to the question "The real question that needs asking is this "Why is it proving so hard to get a candidate to stand in such a pro-labour seat?" "

Is so obvious it surely is unneccessary to post it.

It's rather like asking "why does it rain in Briatain?".

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"Is so obvious it surely is unneccessary to post it."

It's not obvious to me. 

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Or me, especially as this is Scotland. Even if Labour lost every seat in England and Wales it'd still grab the Scottish seats no matter what.

It's highly unusual to see this kind of happening. I mean, even in the "Dark days of the wilderness" of the Conservatives in opposition the Tories still managed to find candidates, indeed too many.

Obviously I say this as an outside observer and a Tory.

It's possible, to me, that the system itself, the highly protective and... collectivist system could be to blame, rather than a more flexible and malleable one as adopted by the Lib Dems and Tories.

Re: Glasgow East selection delayed (#14)

We will just have to wait and see what happens but i for one have had enough of labour doom mongers,politics is a hard business and we have to take the rough with the smooth, if the tories win at the next election then so be it we will just have to do better next time but all this public airing of our dirty washing does nothing to push our ideas and ideals forward in fact it does just the opposite...now lets start the fightback please peeps http://www.williamhillmedia.com/index_template.asp?file=10390

Re: Glasgow East selection delayed (#15)

It is obvious.

If you have any political ambitions, the way to snuff  them out prematurely and kill you career off is to be the candidate who loses a safe Parliamentary seat.

Given that there are less than 3 weeks to the election, Labour in Scotland are leaderless,
Labour in Britain have a <cough> "less than inspiring leader with the worst personal poll ratings for any PM since modern opinion polls started " ,
your party is on a losing streak ,
your previous seat holder left under less than ideal circumstances with a whiff of scandal,
and you are up against the SNP run by the best politician in Scotland,

Only someone who is extraordinarily competent and confident will try. And someone who does not fear political oblivion if they lose.



Well that is my opinion... It would appear potential candidates think the same.. and if they have any skeletons in their cupboard they will be mercilessly unmasked in front of the national press.

And the Party is virtually  bust so cannot campaign with any real expenditure.


Masochism .